Is Dreame Publishers (also known as Ficfun and Stary LTD.) a Scam?

Typesetter

My name is Chris… and I’m not famous. A publisher recently contacted because they found my book online and want to offer me a contract… should I take it?

…my advice? Run away. Probably.

So my SF story Dekker’s Dozen: The Last Watchmen has over 65,000 reads on Wattpad and had been featured in the past. This morning, after a brief interaction with a publisher, I was offered a contract. Don’t congratulate me yet. Not all contracts are created equally.

It sounds too good to be true, right? You put something on Wattpad and then a publisher comes calling? But that’s what happened to guys like Taran Matharu who writes the Summoner series (and who I’ve had conversations with via the social writing platform.) But as I often caution folks, plan to be the rule rather than the exception.

On second glance at their initial message and subsequent ones I was asked to “kindly reply” or “kindly send XYZ.” That’s not how native English speakers speak and is usually a giveaway of an overseas scam. But this company might not actually be a scam. They are, however, not looking play by the same rules as regular publishers.

The company in question is Dreame… with an E. It didn’t take much looking around the internet to find that my experience with Dreame is not uncommon; they’ve made a habit of soliciting authors from Wattpad to try and gain rights to their stories and then publish them exclusively on Dreame.com. That’s a legitimate business model. They offered me sixty bucks, which is a bit of a slap in the face since I would be prohibited from sharing this story electronically (ebook) and possibly they would get the audible rights as well. They are cautious to mention in the contract that you retain paperback rights, but audiobooks are on the rise, and you might be agreeing to give them 20% of your sales in exchange for that tiny advance they give you… that’s right. It’s an advance, which means if they make money on the book (by whatever metric they determine) they still might not have to pay you unless they exceed that original amount.

Dreame, which looks like a Wattpad clone with a paywall for certain stories, is based out of Singapore. It is affiliated with Ficfun, which has a rating of two thumbs down from some writing services. There is a thread going about it over at Reddit which is worth checking out. Dreame runs under the business name of Stary PTE Ltd

They talk a bunch about quality of stories, etc… but just like Wattpad, it seems like mostly bad romance fiction or rip-offs and fanfics. Honestly, a guy can only stomach so much Mario on Luigi gay erotica on a landing page before he gives up on a platform altogether. (And let’s not forget about the infamous 50 Shades of Gandalf the Grey I referenced before… you can’t make this stuff up.) Interestingly enough, Wattpad is also toying with a “paid” option, although this service is currently in limited beta and not currently available in the US. Could Dreame be legit and scooping Wattpad on their upcoming service? I guess it is possible (they have been open to negotiation from me on finer points of the contract but have also repeatedly dodged the question of exactly how stories will generate funds to split with authors). I’ve been told that authors can earn 30%, 40%, or 50% depending on the amount an author takes in the form of an advance… percentages mean nothing, though if I don’t know how the thing is gonna earn out.

After multiple emails stating that I needed to know how it made money. I finally asked “Does it only earn money if someone signs up to read it, does it earn money or no money if a subscriber reads it? Does it only earn money if they click response device like a button for Like or Share at the end or does simply clicking the story link earn a commission? You’ve not given me those kinds of details which is what I want to know so I can judge how successful my story might be and make a decision.” As you can see by the below response, they completely dodge the question with their answer:

Stories with good performance will be put behind the pay wall. We will see from the data analysis. And Author will have a 30% share after the income gained by the Work exceeds the whole cost paid by us, including without limitation the royalty paid to Author, marketing fee and other costs charged by any third parties.
Author will have access to the sales amount in the author center, but since now our author center is still in development, which might be available in several months. And at present, we are investing extra amount of money to promote our stories as well as our app. But we will share the records to our authors if the profits exceed our investment before the author center is set up.

So basically, they are saying that whenever they are ready to start paying you, then they will explain how they do their accounting and math so that their payment will add up. That’s a big red flag for me.

Anyways, their contract looks pretty bad, too. You can follow up with some details from kboards and other authors who got similarly bad contracts and where one writer notes:

It also reads like they are trying to act as an agent to sell the rights to other media. Again, not necessarily a problem so long as you have right of refusal to any deal they come up with. But there have been outfits like this that self refer (they “sell” the rights to the audiobook, for example, to their own sister company and your contract requires you to accept). So unless you get final right of refusal, this is a non-starter.

My biggest concern is that there is a lot of vague, “squishy” language used. And I don’t trust vague, squishy language.

Don’t take my language for it. Here is a sample contract they sent me to look at, but FIRST, I wanted to draw your attention to some of the comments below. While I can’t independently verify the truth of each comment, one that scares me says:

I have been on their discord server for 2-3 years now and have been with them since the beginning. Everything above is TRUE. Do NOT join ficfun or dreame. Me and a bunch of other writers have been doing investigations on them for a long time and nothing is positive. First off, their USA location originally was in the middle of a lake near Michigan. Like…really? Second, their country, based in Hong Kong, makes it illegal for them to pay their writers outside of paypal – where you are subject to tax laws and potential late payments. One signed writer, who is desperate, got her payment 6 WEEKS after the said payment date.
I partially run their server and if you have any questions, ask me. The server has been basically abandoned by the ficfun team and is left to normal writers. I BEG YOU – keep people away from them.

And now, here’s that Copyright License Agreement from Dreame

This Copyright License Agreement (hereinafter referred to as the “Agreement”) is entered into effect on [ ] [ ], [ ] (“Effective Date”) by and between STARY PTE. LTD., a Singapore corporation under the laws of Singapore with its registered office at [11 Woodlands Close, #08-20, Woodlands 11, Singapore (737853)], (hereinafter referred as “Dreame”) and [ ], penname [ ], an individual with a permanent address at [ ] (hereinafter referred as “Author”). Hereinafter Dreame and Author will be singularly or collectively referred to as “Party” or “Parties”.

By signing this Agreement, Author has agreed to grant the Digital Copyright of their Work to Dreame exclusively in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement. THEREFORE, in consideration of the mutual covenants and agreements hereinafter set forth, the Parties hereby agree as follows:

  1. Definition

1.1 Work means all or part of the [ ] or its derivatives originally created or written by Author, who owns complete copyrights of such Work under any applicable law or regulation.

1.2 Digital copyright means the right to use, publish, distribute, sell, sublicense, post, advertise, promote or market such Work on Platform in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

1.3 Platform means all the online platforms owned, operated or controlled directly or indirectly by Dreame, including but not limited to its websites and applications.

  1. Remuneration

2.1 Basic payment: Dreame agrees to pay Author a one-time payment X (X) United States Dollars for the complete Work.

2.2 Dreame has the right to put the Work in the pay-to-read program according to its standards. In this case, Author will receive a 30% share of the profits gained by the Work, when the extra revenue generated by the work exceeds the whole cost paid by Dreame, including and without limitation, the basic payment paid to Author, marketing fee, and any other costs charged by third parties. Except the foregoing compensation or unless otherwise stipulated, Dreame has no obligation to pay any other proceeds, benefits, interest and the like to Author.

2.3 Dreame will only make the basic payment to Author after the full manuscript of the Work is submitted to Dreame by Author. Payment will be made no later than the 30th of the following month via PayPal or international wire transfer. Author will bear the risk of failed payment if the PayPal or bank information Author offered to Dreame is incorrect.

2.4 All taxes or charges due in connection with the compensation for the Work shall be borne by Author.

  1. Dreame’s Obligations

3.1 Dreame acknowledges that Author is the owner of the Work, and shall do nothing inconsistent with such ownership.

3.2 Dreame shall use the Work and pay the remuneration to Author according to the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

3.3 Dreame is obligated to keep all the personal information or other materials Author doesn’t want to make public as confidential.

  1. Author’s Obligations

4.1 Author shall submit the complete manuscript in DOC file 10 days before the pay day. Author acknowledges and agrees that the Work shall contain no less than [ ] words and is obligated to start uploading the Work to Platform within a month after this Agreement takes effect and upload at least [ ] chapter(s) per week. If Author fails to meet the foregoing requirements, Dreame is entitled to upload the Work to its Platform without prior notice to Author.

4.2 Author guarantees that they shall not plagiarize or infringe another person’s legal rights and that the Work is completely original.

4.3 Author shall uphold the reputation of Dreame and will not engage in activities that harm Dreame nor its interests.

4.4 Author agrees to provide necessary assistance or support for Dreame’s marketing and promotion for the Work, including without limitation necessary information or other promotional materials.

4.5 Author can self-publish the Work in paperback form only and all earnings will be Author’s own. However, Author shall not publish or sell the Work on any other third parties’ online platforms. If Author wishes to publish or sell the Work on a third party’s platform, Author must get Dreame’s express written permission by giving prior written notice to Dreame. Any future earnings made in this way shall be charged a further 30% commission by Dreame.

4.6 The Work must adhere to the standards set by Dreame. If the Work contains excessive spelling or grammatical errors, Author will be required to make revisions in accordance with Dreame’s requests. In such a case that Author refuses to make the revisions or such Work does not meet Dreame’s requirement after the revision, Dreame shall be entitled to not use or release such Work, and to terminate this Agreement without legal liability.

  1. Terms and Termination

5.1 This Agreement shall commence from the Effective Date and shall continue in full force and effect during the period of creation of the Work and for five (5) more years after the Work is completed on Dreame, i.e., the plot must be completed and confirmed by Dreame. This Agreement shall be automatically renewed for additional five (5) years, unless either Party provides written notice of non-renewal to the other Party, no less than ninety (90) days prior to the expiration of Agreement.

5.2 If Author breaches this Agreement and fails in fulfilling their obligations, Dreame has the right to suspend payments and require Author to refund all the compensation. In such case Author will also bear all legal consequences and losses incurred.

  1. Miscellaneous

6.1 This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with any applicable laws and the laws of Singapore. Any dispute or disagreement arising out of or in connection with this Agreement shall be firstly solved through amicable negotiation; if negotiation fails, the forgoing disputes or disagreements shall be exclusively submitted to Singapore International Arbitration Center (SIAC) for arbitration.

6.2 Both Parties agree that the scanned copy of the signed Agreement has the same legal effect with original copy. IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the Parties have caused this Agreement to be executed and effective as of the Effective Date by their duly authorized representatives on the dates shown below.

 

Advertisements

86 thoughts on “Is Dreame Publishers (also known as Ficfun and Stary LTD.) a Scam?

    1. I was contacted on Wattpad by this company. I looked it up and found your post. Thank you for the information. It’s made it so easy to know I’d never even answer their request, and reported the message to Wattpad. I’m sure Wattpad will want to know their writers are being solicited like this. And not even by a good publisher. As a self-publisher, I make more money, definitely more than $60. So, this is such a bad, bogus deal. Most authors would do better to just self publish their novel from Wattpad anyway.

      Liked by 1 person

    2. Thank you for this – much appreciated. My story has received over 100k reads and I was excited when I received the email, but sceptical considering the clauses cited in just the initial approach. Knowing that my story is a trilogy, I’d intended to approach publishing houses (along with a gizzilion other aspiring novelists!!) but signing with Dreame would put me at an even greater disadvantage.
      Thanks again!
      Becky

      Liked by 1 person

  1. Hello, Thanks for you blog, I was also contacted by Dreame and will give them a pass. A similar contract has been drawn up for me by webnovel, they will market my books in various formats and I will get 50 % (including paperback, audio books and any other format). They said that for my locked chapters, they can’t be published elsewhere and they would help me market my books. The concerning part is that I will be handing over all rights to publish to them.
    Any ideas about webnovel, please let me know.
    Thanks for helping a newbie 🙂

    Liked by 1 person

    1. Hi. I am a writer from wattpad and I have been reading on Webnovel for awhile. You can also publish your work in webnovel first without any contract likw wattpad. Then if your stories get famous, I think you’ll get the offer and some if yiyr chapters will be locked. I think you make money for every mkcked chapter.

      Like

  2. I had them contact me on obooko. Offering two types of contract exclusive for USD 90 or non exclusive for USD 40. There is no way I would give away the exclusive rights to my books for $90 but I reckoned the non-exclusive offer, $40 wasn’t too bad. After all getting paid $40 allowing them to give away / sell a book that I am already giving away elsewhere isn’t too bad.

    As for their business model they probably do a numbers game. Sign up enough people on an exclusive deal and you are bound to find some diamonds on the rough.

    Like

  3. I received an email today about some stories I wrote a few years ago. Thanks for the info here. I hadn’t heard of Dreame and this was the first useful info I found about the emails they are sending. I plan to ignore the email. I am always a bit vigilant with these things as my work has been copied and posted on another platform before.

    Like

  4. I was contacted by them on Fanfiction Net (!) today. They are offering to buy “my book” and at least “$200 minimum salary per month”. Supposedly their “over 500 hundred writers have earned more than half a million dollars on Dreame”.

    *snorts*

    That’s a scam, all right. I still Googled them just for the giggles, and found this article. Very well researched and very helpful for people who don’t have experience with professional publishing.

    Here’s a very helpful resource for anyone wondering if this or that publisher or contest is serious or scam: https://www.sfwa.org/other-resources/for-authors/writer-beware/

    Like

  5. I was contacted on wattpad by them using FicFun name on July, but since my story wasn’t in english we ended up not going further to the contract. About a week ago they contacted me again, same person, under the Dreame. I reminded them that my story was not in english and apparently, they published foreign language now. (Oh, and this made me think they only look to the amount of readers and not the quality of the story. I doubt they understand my story entirely)
    I have more than 100k readers on both my stories and was offered more than a 100$ per story. I actually considered the offer since I wrote the story for fun and not expecting any payment, but they offer me money, so why not? So I agree and asked them to send a sample contract. I read the contract just now and got curious so I got on google, looking at their website, the company profile, and finally this post. Now I doubt my decision…it’s actually a lot of money if convert to my currency ( I can live for about 1.5 months with the amount of money they offer me for both my stories), but I don’t think the amount is worth giving all the digital rights but then again I’m not a professional and considered the story a mess (I was ‘planning’ to make the story better but got no time, lol, being busy with college)…. I asked my best friend opinion and she said why not? I want to asked my sister about this but I haven’t met her and already found this post. So does this mean the contract is not legit? is it a scam? or is it just an unfair contract?

    ps. I was almost scam into this type but for my arts which is real bad (I’m more confident about my stories than my arts) but that one because the asked me to pay to be publish by them so that’s a big no. But this one doesn’t ask me to pay yet…(?)

    Like

    1. hey Bells, it sounds like you have some unique things happening in your life, based on where you live. Since it would help you live for over a month, and you didn’t have any other plans, you might just take the money and run. Just make sure that the rights do eventually return to you. It’s really only a decision that you can make, but if you’re not currently investing a lot of time/energy into your writing pursuits (and don’t have any future plans with this piece) you might consider it. every type of publisher (even vanity press) has a correct time and place… this might be a good fit for you at this stage in your life.

      Like

    2. Dreame is definitely a scam. I would never, ever publish even my shopping list with them. If you have a solid following for your stories on Wattpad, why not self-publish an ebook with Kindle or Smashwords? That way you can be sure you’re not going to get scammed and you’re still in full control of your stories.

      Liked by 1 person

    3. Hey, did you end up going through with it? I’m kind of in a similar situation. I wrote the story like ten years ago and it’s not the greatest. I have no plans to share it on my own but making a little extra cash with it seems neat. I’m more so just worried cause they’re asking for my full address and scans of my ID and it’s making me feel like of iffy about it all.

      Like

      1. Hey well it depends on what you want for your book. If you sign a contract with dreame you’ll be unable to sign with another company depending on the length of time you contract states. Read through the contract and see if everything makes sense to you and if not email the company and for clarification. I had two books signed by them quite recently (Bittersweet and One Hundred Tears In Sunset) as writing websites go its not too different from writing in wattpad. There’s a feature where you can set chapters to upload at later dates which I think is super useful. The people I’ve spoken to in the company have been really helpful. I was very hesitant to sign a contract with a company that I hadn’t hear of before, I thought it may be a scam however I’m so glad I did. I received payment for my books a month after uploading my work, and I now have the opportunity to write more stories and actually get paid for it!

        It’s a stepping stone, the more people who read your books the more chance you have of getting into the author world so if that’s your goal then this is the opportunity for you. My thoughts were, yes I’m giving up digital copyrights for a few years on these two books, but I am being paid for it, I am getting on the ladder. I can always write more books and I intend to. If you like I am more than happy to help you with any questions you may have, or even just to proof read things your writing, would be nice to have a friend on dreame who I can talk with:)

        Like

      2. this is true. As I’ve said before: there are some scenarios where this might be an acceptable option and each author must weigh it for themselves. But bear in mind two things. 1) the publisher is willingly buying writers’ “poor quality works” and using them to bolster their catalogue. Do you want to be associated with other writers’ trash for a tiny payout; is it worth it? 2) a book sells on average about 250 copies. multiply the “most common cost” of an ebook times the average and the royalty rate from KDP. (250×3.99×70%=$698.25). Basically, if you are average, you could do about $700 [you still have to put in the work–it’s not “free money,” and this is over the course of 2-3 years… the typical contract length of indie publishers. After that time, a story’s viability tapers off and becomes obsolete which is why many writers choose to create series and box sets in order to keep their works alive and profitable].
        Look at #2 and you can see where the profit margin is for the company. They make contract offer amounts based on the proven success you have already had with the story (read, comment, rates on Wattpad, etc.) Combine ideas #1 and #2 and ask yourself are they paying you close to that average and is it worth the association with the garbage in the pool you’ll be stuck in? For me, I’d need at least a thousand bucks to limit myself to the grungy shallow end… because I believe in my stories and in myself and my ability to get my story into peoples’ hands.
        For me, it’s not worth it. I am in the American economy (one of the poorer parts of the country,) but maybe your economy is different. Do the math and make your own choices–but don’t sign anything without weighing the pros and cons (which is why this article was titled “IS Dreame a Scam?” rather than “Dreame IS a Scam.”

        Like

  6. I just discovered a message from this outfit on my FanFiction account … which amazed me, since I know “serious” writers scoff at FanFiction. But I’m only posting the first draft of my fantasy series, to get feedback from longtime followers of my work. Anyway, it wasn’t the first time some purported publisher tried to get me to fall for their offer, and I was suspicious, so I did a search. This article was the very first thing to come up. I appreciate all the information! I’ll just let this “opportunity” pass me by and go back to writing and refining so I can try for real publication when I feel the novel series is ready. Thanks for writing this!

    Like

  7. I was contacted by them, and however poor the contract may be, Im tempted to accept. After all, they offered 100usd by some work I have up on wattpad for years and have no intention to pursue further. My aim was simply to take the money and run, as you put it.
    My concerns are: do they actually pay? And, are there other convoluted ways they can take advantage of the contract (beside being able to make money out of your work for 5 years more)?

    Like

  8. I got contacted a few months ago for my book and it’s sequal. I was offered 300 dollars to move both books over and 30% of the earring after that. I accepted and have to say I love working with dreame. The website is a little hard to work with but I was givin a chance to express my concerns. I also talk directly with a rep that I can email anytime. I was sceptical at first but I haven’t had any major problems. Once I signed the contract I was instantly sent the money. I personally wasn’t attached to the books they asked for as much as my other books so i wasn’t worried about the e-book deals. I personally am glad I took the deal.

    Like

    1. I think there is a time and place for publishers like this… it may be perfect for that book, given your circumstances… however, I wonder about this from the reader side of things: if this site is picking up a ton of stories by authors who have “throw away” stories that they “don’t really care about,” it means the quality is going to tank and the readership will disappear. Also, it means your stories (and your name/author-brand are going to be associated with crap. I know authors lose some quality control when we sign rights over to a publisher, but this is easy to see that your name is gonna be associated with a garbage brand)

      Like

      1. I get that and I was worried about that as well but I can’t have these books on Wattpad any longer and I published on dreame under a different name I tried to separate it from my Wattpad account as much as possible

        Like

      2. An editor by the name of Natalie contacted me about my Watty-award winning novel. It currently has 60k reads, and from the research I’ve done about Dreame, they seem legit. Located in Singapore, which has a good economy the founder Samuel Lau seems to be quite ambitious about his aspirations for Dreame. I’m still undecided, but I guess we shall see if Dreame becomes a greater competition for Wattpad.

        Like

  9. Thanks for writing this article. I was just contacted by them and I had never heard of them until the email. My red flag– aside from them actually contacting me with a brand new email– was the poor use of grammar from the editor contacting me and the fact that I needed to give them an email address so she could explain to me how queries work on their site. I looked on the site to see if there was any explanation on pay for authors and there is nothing. It only has how the users who want to read a story will have to purchase coins to continue reading. I too am thinking this is a hard pass. Thanks again!

    Like

  10. I’m considering the offer from dreame as well.
    So, i can just accept it?
    After I publish one of my story there, is there another work i obligate to do?

    Like

    1. we didn’t cover any of that in the post. I did not see anything in their sample contract (and you’re right, SOME publishers will do that or at least claim first rights on any sequels or similar works you write.) For that specific answer you would need to show your actual contract to someone with legal expertise (I know my way around a few areas, but I am not the legal help you want)

      Like

    1. Julesrae. How did things go with them? I’m looking everywhere online and can’t seem to find anyone talking about their experience after accepting the offer from Dreame.

      Like

      1. I got a review of them from a user who gushed over how amazing they were. It came in three times on successive days as the writer wondered why it hadn’t posted. I can’t say that with 100% certainty that it came from a Dreame employee… but it was pretty suspicious (and the IP address, which WordPress always logs and provides details on) indicates if it didn’t come from one of them, the author was probably in their parking lot and stealing their wifi 😉

        Liked by 1 person

      2. I can say that I accepted their offer, and they paid the initial fee as and when they said they would. As for the hypothetical further earnings (which I wasn’t counting on anyway), I’ll have to wait and see.

        Like

  11. So is Dreame a scam? I got also into a similar situations like the others. Actually, they are offering me the same contract and the same offee NOW. I’m quite scared about this since I read this lol. I’m underage and I don’t really know how to decide. Should I accept it or not? My parents are very supportive but I doubt this offer.

    Like

    1. that is going to depend on how you define “scam.” I’ve gotten some push back on the article (even though you are correct that I never come out and say it is or is not a scam.) Here is the rationale for both points of view… Not a scam: they do pay some money and make your story available to readers who might conceivably pay for access to it, among others. Scam: this is a contract representing them as a publisher and you as an author–authors who talk about publishers that prey upon others with really bad/nonstandard contracts and/or murky contract points are typically referred to as scams. A scam is when someone represents one thing and then switches it out for something else (or nothing) so that the scammer gets all or most of the benefits (profit). If you don’t consider yourself an author or have any plans to do so then this might not seem so scammy; somebody is willing to give you a little money to use a thing you did. BUT, if you are trying to be a real author and being published is important to you, then absolutely feels like a scam. This one has no clear answer, I’m afraid… but I wouldn’t touch it with a pole.

      Like

  12. I got contacted a couple of days ago and I am writing with someone named Gavin. I am very unsure of what to do, as they want my signature.
    In my country there are a lot of people trying to scam others over the internet on mail or your phone.
    But I have a question and I hope you can answer….
    My story on Wattpad is apparently not unique, as my readers have contacted my and said that my story is like another also posted on Wattpad. So where does that leave me, if I accept the offer? I hope you have a clue, cause I do not.
    If I accept, I will be sure to come with an update, so others can get some answers 😉

    Like

    1. Stories with similarities are not all that uncommon. In fact you want a certain amount of alikeness to be sellable. Hollywood almost always releases movies in like pairs. It’s weird. You will, however have to remove your story from wattpad if you publish south dreame

      Like

  13. I’m published with ficfun/dreame and I want to be a legit author, I told them that I wanted to cancel my contract because nothing was really being done to promote my book and they only paid me once $120, they said that I have to pay them back, I don’t trust their site anymore, it’s a scam for me by experience since they’d be getting 70% and I’d be getting only 30% for all of my hard work which is a waste.

    Like

    1. just remember that the percentage alone is not enough to label it as a scam. 70/30 is actually not a terrible rate for a publishing contract if that publisher incurs significant overhead while promoting and producing your book (that usually includes printing and advertising.) It doesn’t, however, look like Dreame does those things and it’s operating as a kind of digital “author mill.” It’s not the price–it’s what you get for it.

      Like

      1. Fair enough, I’m still cancelling my contract, it was a hassle, to begin with. Your article helped a lot so thank you 🙂

        Like

      2. Hi Nas, I’ve been thinking of cancelling my contract too. How did yours go? I’m looking for some advices.

        Like

  14. Thanks for the article, I have just been contacted as a result of putting an ‘author@’ edress on my webspace. I was disinclined to go anywhere with this offer since I already publish my own works on Kindle.
    As so much content is available on the net I don’t see who would subscribe to this service.
    My main worry would be damaging my author name so I will not be replying to the mail.

    Like

  15. I do not know what to do. I was also contacted by Dreame last night and it was crazy to send my personal e-mail. They sent me an email with both types of contract, I am from another country and the English language is not native, and I got lost. I write in wattpad for fun and the offer to make money from it is tempting, in my country the value offered would be worth four times more in currency conversion. It’s tempting. But at the same time that fun turned into money is exciting, losing my rights for my work discourages me. I do not want to live on it, but my name was involved in anything they did to her. I need help or an opinion from someone who knows more. In my place, in my situation, what would I do?

    Like

    1. They also reached out to me last night. They offered me both contracts and I would receive 30% which I call bullshit. I write on Wattpad for fun as well and my book (Saved By The Devil – Book 1) has over 300k views. I spent a lot of time writing and coming up with ideas. I don’t think it’s fair. I should at least receive 75%-80%of profits.

      Long story short, DO NOT take their offer. It’s just a scam in my opinion.

      Like

  16. Hi everyone. I publish all my Greek Island Mysteries on Amazon and was also reached by them. I was not planning on replying anyway.
    But after reading all your replies, I have some questions:
    a.Do you make money on Wattpad?
    b. Why do you write on wattpad for free (if that’s the case) and don’t upload your work on Amazon and make a profit for your work?

    Like

    1. some people do both. I have a few books on Wattpad because it gets me in front of readers and can be good for promotion. Wattpad IS working on rolling out a paid version in the future. Not sure it will be the right step towards monetization, but it’s coming

      Like

  17. I was contacted as well. Their offer to me was 1] Post my story and they own the copyright for 5 years, but I get everything from the cover to the 5th chapter (odd). I get 30% after all those fees you mentioned in your blog. 2) I sign for 5 years and I own the copyright and I can post it anywhere I want and I get 20% less their fees. I also was offered an exclusive contract where I will receive $500 USD for my fanfiction stories after I’ve edited them from Fanfiction to original. I’ve had two sitting in my fanfiction site for years, so if one story will get me $500, I just might take it. But I have 3 books on Amazon that I don’t think I’m willing to give to anyone. Thanks for your helpful information.

    Like

  18. I just received an email earlier but they’re offering me the editor-in-chief position. I haven’t written any stories on wattpad since 2012 and I doubt they know who I am in there. My account is pretty much dead. But to be offered an EIC position that sounds too good to be true. Has anyone else received a similar offer?

    Like

  19. I was just contacted by them as well. Luckily I decided to start searching before I said yes to anything, now I’m not sure if I have to give them a definite no, or is it okay to just ignore the message?
    It feels weird to give my entire book away anyway

    Like

    1. that should be fine to ignore them… they may try to contact you again, however. Even after discussions with them to determine if they were legit, I turned them down, but they have still spammed me with followup messages. That reinforces my belief that its some kind of digital author mill.

      Like

  20. I have been on their discord server for 2-3 years now and have been with them since the beginning. Everything above is TRUE. Do NOT join ficfun or dreame. Me and a bunch of other writers have been doing investigations on them for a long time and nothing is positive. First off, their USA location originally was in the middle of a lake near Michigan. Like…really? Second, their country, based in Hong Kong, makes it illegal for them to pay their writers outside of paypal – where you are subject to tax laws and potential late payments. One signed writer, who is desperate, got her payment 6 WEEKS after the said payment date.
    I partially run their server and if you have any questions, ask me. The server has been basically abandoned by the ficfun team and is left to normal writers. I BEG YOU – keep people away from them.

    Liked by 1 person

  21. I got an email from FicFun a few months back and they wanted an old book of mine. I wrote it when I was sixteen (it got big because of the cliche werewolf theme to it) and I started to rewrite it these last few years but I don’t have the same spark for the story as I did back then. Anyway, I ended up rejecting FicFun because I was working on another story that I want to publish and didn’t feel like finishing and editing this old werewolf story of mine. They offered me 420 dollars. Dreame contacted me this morning with an offer (450 dollars) and I’m just like…aren’t you the same people who contacted me a few months back? I’m completely lost about what I want to do…they seem so scam like though…

    Like

  22. Just want to say your article is as surprising. The clarity in your post is simply spectacular and
    i can assume you’re an expert on this subject. Well with your
    permission allow me to grab your RSS feed
    to keep up to date with forthcoming post. Thanks a
    million and please keep up the gratifying work.

    Like

  23. Got contacted earlier today via Fanfiction Net by a profile called “Edon-49”. I figured it was a scam, I’ve been contacted like this before but this article helped me give it a hard pass. Thanks for the info!

    Like

  24. Pingback: » Melissa Treglia
  25. Hi. I was contacted by Dreame last December 2018. At first I was super skeptical for the reason that the book they were asking for wasn’t really my best, and any writer could see that, much more an editor. So for 2 weeks I went back and forth emailing this guy. And he answered pretty much all of my questions about how the whole thing will play out and since it is a fanfiction, will it be a problem since most of the characters are not my making. He said it wasn’t a problem since it was just a non-exclusive contract. I told him I’d think about it.
    And today, I just accepted the deal. And upon seeing this, I’m starting to doubt if I made the right choice.

    But I think this will definitely be serve as a sign not to work with them in any form again.

    Like

  26. Pingback: » Melissa Treglia
  27. Hi, I don’t know if this thread is still alive or not but I wanted to ask for some advice. I was also contacted by a woman named Natalie that says to be an editor from dreame. The thing is, I’m just starting with my webnovel and I’m only writing as a hobby to improve my English.
    She offered me a non-exclusive contrat to post my story on dreame and if the novel reaches the 10000 view threshold they would put it in the pay to read program. I know this is a different situation from most of those here, but I wanted to know why would she sent me a contract for just posting my work on their site.
    The other thing that bothers me is that the contract she showed said that they will give me an advance paid no later than 30 days before the full work is uploaded, but I haven’t even wrote the next five chapters and they know it. Or it means that even if I get into the pay to read program they won’t pay me until I finish the story.

    So, I’m here to ask if someone has any experience like mine where they signed the contract before finishing their story. And if it is a good idea to sign a contract with them if only to increase the exposure of my story ( Which is just starting and doesn’t have many readers).

    Like

    1. personal view i supposed the author have some other target, coz i post my book on dreame since Nov, until now received around 1230usd, not bad.

      Like

    2. You are right, Notanerd… you limit your playing field and would be swimming in shark infested water. Their whole program (and payment) depends on a whole lot of “ifs.” You’d have to be a huge standout when the company is demonstrating that they are flooding their own market with random content. It’s a carnival game: you may get a prize, but the whole midway is rigged and the cost of entry might not be worth the value IF you get the prize.
      Dreame is playing a numbers game. They are inviting authors not under current contracts who have demonstrated a social readership (via places such as Wattpad) in order to drive traffic which they hope turns organic, hence the “view thresholds.”

      Like

  28. This really woke me up. I’m underage and I signed my signature but didn’t get my parents’ yet. I got a little worried and searched up some info and I found that the company was real and did deal with publishing but more like towards children’s books and guides, not really online things… And with the writing on the website that seems like sappy cheesy Twilight-copy-and-paste, I don’t know… Thank you for this wakeup call! Really!

    Like

  29. I got an offer on two of my books, one was $250 and the other $350. I accepted since I just wrote those two books for fun. Last week I had officially recieved the payment and was honestly happy because I felt rich lol. I am kinda sad that I had to remove almost the entire book of wattpad but the users can still read it for free on Dreame. In a way, I feel like I scammed them XD My opinion? I’d say just go for it unless you spent a lot of quality time to write your book and if so then self-publish it on e-bay.

    Like

    1. hmmm… so you are saying you are happy to have yourself as an author represented by a story that is not quality and that you didn’t invest much effort by way of editing, etc? But it’s cool because you got paid for it… This does not give me faith in the FicFun/Stary model and I would not want my garbage writings available for the world to see

      Like

  30. Hi! I am a Filipino writer also in Wattpad. I discovered DREAME lately when my friend just like me, an author, published his own work on the said website. So that makes me excite because there’s some other publishing site that I can publish my own novel for free. I signed in to DREAME and made an account. And then, I published my novel there. At this point, there is a promotion that I read that they will give bonus to those authors who publish their work on the month of January to June. So that’s gave me interested and so I joined. After 14 days, I received an email and the name of the editor is “Betty” and then she said that they approved my novel. How come that they approved my novel in which it was written in Filipino language? I received also the contract and it is the same content posted in your blog. Should I sign the contract or avoid it? I’m just so confused here. It’s the DREAME is a totally a scam?

    Like

    1. Hi! I’m also a Filipino writer in wattpad who received their email just the other day. My story is also written in Tagalog (Filipino) mixed with English so I’m not sure how on Earth did they review my work. They sent a contract that states that my story will be under them for 10 years and I will only receive 10% share of income, that’s when I start thinking that maybe DREME is a scam. But then again, I write in wattpad for free so their offer is not that bad when you think about it. But with all the bad reviews I’m seeing here, I don’t think abandoning my wattpad readers will be worth it so I will probably give DREAME a pass.

      Like

  31. Hello, thank you for the article. I also got the same offer through Wattpad, which makes me suspicious; (1) the agent just created a Wattpad account; (2) he offered one of my stories to be registered to the platform, he said he had read my story. But I wrote the story in bahasa Indonesia. When I check apps in playstore there are so many input and suggestions that they lack stories from Indonesian authors, mostly English stories.

    Like

  32. I was contacted to for my two books, one reached 1,6M reads (they offer 350USD for this) and the other about 60k reads (50USD). I wasn’t a professional writer and of course the offer excited me. So I was looking for some reviews and found this article. Thank you for your sharing. Also in the other hand, I also found another positive reviews from here https://www.quora.com/I-have-a-book-published-on-Wattpad-and-someone-messaged-me-asking-if-I-d-like-to-have-it-published-on-ficfun-and-dreame-I-would-get-paid-Should-I-accept anyone have other opinion?

    Like

    1. while I would caution against ever searching for quality advice on Quora (or similarly, Yahoo answers,) if you scroll the comments here you will see that I admit for certain people in some situations Dreame might be something that is the right fit (just like a vanity press has its purposes). However, if you get smart about your marketing and the fact that your audience is responding you could begin to collect user data, build a subscriber list, and make a lot more money than what they are offering by being an independent writer. A lot of that depends on where you live and a host of other factors which really leaves it up to you… just do your research first. first most markets, Dreame looks like the place dreams go to die. Maybe yours is different.

      Like

  33. Interesting enough to see all the comment here. I also got contacted by Dreame about Exclusive and non Exclusive contract. I’ve publish 5 works on Wattpad with the most reads has reached 1.5m in my country Indonesia. But they only interest in one of my work with 50K reads since I put it on Fanfic category (actually it’s not accurate). I can say that they contact the author by look at one of their most read work and then consider their other work to see if they have any other good work about fanfic.

    Like

  34. I had researched and read most of the comments in this website right after replying an email saying I was interested. They offered me money, like everyone else and I thought it was too good to be true. After reading many websites claiming this ‘sounds’ “ like a scam without trying it and those who actually did and said it works, I decided to take a risk.
    It was a story I did not plan on working on and was not extremely proud of, so I decided it might be worth it. I even took the exclusive offer which said to give much more money, though it was like selling your story away. This scared me more, since although I was willing to gave it away, I did work relatively hard on it.
    I signed the contract, and sure enough they gave me the money. I met with some troubles and emailed back, only to find it fixed in the next few hours. They reply fast and is indeed a reliable place. I have tried it, it is not a scam and I was glad I took the risk.

    afraid to

    Like

    1. hey faith, I’d recommend you read all of my article (and others about the publishing norms in the industry.) Think about it like selling anything… if you happen to have an old beat up copy of the Hulk 181 comic book and someone asks to buy it for $20, you might jump on it. It’s $20 you didn’t have. But that buyer could spend a couple dollars to have it professionally graded (on a scale of 0.5-10). a low quality copy is worth about $500. This has never been a question of “did I get money” but has always been about a company not meeting industry standards and not paying what a typical publisher pays. Don’t sell yourself short and take the quick money.

      Like

      1. Yeah, I absolutely agree. I don’t know how they manage things now, but it was a complete mess the years I actually got to talk to the admins – especially with money transfers.

        Like

  35. Hi, I need your advice guys. I signed a nonexclusive contract with Dreame sometime in 2018. They paid $50 for my books. Now, one of my books was placed in their pay-to-read program and it is getting popular. I received a publishing offer in another company for this book but they wanted exclusivity of the book. Now, I’m planning to take down that book in Dreame, but the Dreame people says since I didn’t finish their 5 years contract, they’ll hold all my royalty of this book. Mind you, the money involved is almost $10,OOO. 😦 Is this fair? Should I at least ask for a share even though I signed an agreement? Your advice would be very appreciated.

    Like

    1. Sounds like you’ve got a great story. But no. You are stuck. The length of their contract is about twice the norm of “independent” type platforms for this very reason… they squat on stories with a minimal investment and then plant a flag on big ones like this. Unless they break their own contract, you are stuck. If you read through the comments, several folks disagree with me about Dreames legitamacy… here is a prime case of how trading a tiny amount of cash for a story is grossly underselling it. And i’m sorry, but there’s no way out of your situation. Yoh made an agreement and the other party is in their rights to expect that it be upheld.

      Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Google photo

You are commenting using your Google account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s